So today’s big development is that Joel stepped outside. Trust me, we are getting somewhere I promise! I wanted to point out that pretty new button to your right. As I mentioned last time, I am trying to come up with the money for a new computer, plus I know some of you have offered to donate in the past, so I set up this donate feature where you get an exclusive Octo-Bear wallpaper if you donate. This is also a preview of the art that will be on the upcoming Octo-Bear tee shirt I’ll be selling soon. HUGE THANKS to everyone who has already donated. You guys are so generous. I’m honored that you enjoy this comic to the extent you are willing to donate to it.
You may also notice the “Upcoming Appearances” section has been added, which will let you know if I will be coming to a convention near you any time soon.
Also, I did a shirt in this new series of Comics on Tees over at Threadless.com. The series was written by Jhonen Vasquez, and then the four shirts were designed by Jhonen, Becky Cloonan, JR Goldbreg and me. I am pretty proud of mine, and to be among such fabulous art. My assignment was to draw a robot fighting a sea monster.
Since today’s page doesn’t inspire much commenting, I’ll answer another Comic Q&A email I got from a guy named Pat. If you have a question send it to info at Bearmageddon.com
Hey Ethan,
So I’ve wanted to start working on a comic I had the idea for a couple of months ago, but since I am a terrible artist and a nearly competent writer I decided to hire an artist. My first choice was a friend of mine who is a phenomenal artist, and after a few months of pussyfooting on semantics(mostly me) I’ve formally commissioned him to do my comic. Problem is every week for three weeks now he has said that he’d have the cover done by the end of the week, then every Monday he says, “no I’ll get on it.” I don’t want to fire him because he is a friend and probably the best comic book artist in the city. So I was wondering as an artist do you pick up tempo as you work on a project? This is how I am as a writer. Also I have a lot of plans for the comic but the first issue may read a touch dry. Even though I have faith It will get better as time goes on it still worries me. As a comic book writer/artist do you think it’s alright for a first issue to be a bit bland? Write back whenever you can I’m in no hurry I’ve just never written a comic before and could use some guidance.
Well, working with your friends has its drawbacks for sure, and the fact that your friend has no problem missing your deadlines, and you have a problem with enforcing them causes a real issue.
The thing is, if you are willing to pay money, there are a ton of talented, up and coming artists on the net that would kill to get paid something to draw a comic. You go to your friends for favors, not to hire them, unless you know off the bat they are reliable.
The toughtest thing to find is a reliable artist. Especially if the artist has not drawn much in the way of comics. They may have drawn some pretty awesome scorpions and Dragon Ball Z fan art, but comics is not that. Comics is drawing EVERYTHING and organizing it so it all tells a story. It is a huge undertaking and a lot of artists who are great at illustrating suddenly turn to crap when they try to put it into little boxes that tell a story.
So, when shopping for an artist you need to look for someone with drive. Someone who has already drawn a stack of comic pages. That shows they are determined. It is generally a bad idea to invest money into having a guy who draws awesome dragons draw a comic, unless every panel is just a dragon in a cool pose.
Good, reliable comic illustrators are hard to find, and I would not try to get someone amazing on your first bit of work. This is going to be pratice for you as much as it is for them. So get an up-and-comer who is hungry to produce more stuff. If you have money, tell them you will pay to self-publish the books when it is time. A lot of young artists simply need that much.
My own case in point. When I attended my first San Diego Comic Con I realized first off just how bad I really was at drawing comics. I decided at that convention I needed to draw some more comics as soon as possible so I could improve. I went to a panel for aspiring writers and during the Q&A I stood up and said I was an artist looking to work with a writer. I did want to write my own stuff, but I simply did not have anything written at that point, and I did not want to wait until I got good at writing to do a book. I’d rather learn to draw on someone else’s book anyway. I was clobbered by writers dying to get an artist to work with them.
The guy who got me was a guy who has a stack of three story ideas written up as pitches. He also said that he was willing to print and publish any books we did because he could afford it. I jumped on it because I wanted to have comics to show around, and I wanted my art circulating. I wanted a finished product.
So we did it, and the comic was pretty bad. It was called Creep. I learned a lot, and the books were printed, but very few people have ever read them. But I improved vastly from one issue to the next, and I now had been able to at least prove to myself and others that I can finish books. A LOT of artists can’t finish books. You think it’s hard to find a good aritist… it is even harder to find a good artist who can finish a book.
This is one reason i have a lot of respect for how Brian Michael Bendis went about creating Jinx, Goldfish and his other books in those noir series. The guy was not an amazing artist, so he figured it out. He took pictures of people acting out the parts then stylistically drew over the photos and created something unique. He did not let his lack of an awesome artist stop him.
To move on, you asked “As a comic book writer/artist do you think it’s alright for a first issue to be a bit bland?” No, I do not. Do you think it is OK for the first episode of a TV series to be bland? Do you think it is OK for the preview of a film to be bland? Your first issue communicates one thing: This is what you, the reader, are in for.
But beyond just a bland first issue, you need to go one step deeper and make sure your premise is not bland. You need to be able to sum your story up in a sentence or two, and those sentences should captivate your audience and make them excited to read. The premise itself has to draw them in. This is a big element of the Save the Cat books which I recommended over at Axe Cop on Monday. Check those books out. He not only teaches you how to write a story, but how to pitch it. How to tell someone about it and make it something they are excited to read.
It is true that your first act is often the least exciting. Here we are at Bearmageddon.com and we have not seen any real bear action and we are on page 23. That’s because, generally whatever is on your poster, whatever your story is about, bursts into the story at act two. Act one takes you there, and making act one interesting is a serious challenge. This is one reason a good premise is so important. A reader excited about the premise is much more apt to walk a little uphill in act one if they are excited to get to act two, as long as you don’t draw act one out too much. No one went to see Jurassic Park to see Dr. Archeaology kid hater meany pants talk to a rich Santa Clause expedition guy about dinosaurs. But they endured it because of the promise of the premise.
I in no way claim to be the master of any of this, but I have tried to be as conscious of it as I can be in making this story. I try to constantly plant reminders of the premise into the story… the Octo-Bear at the beginning was a promise to the reader that you are in for this kind of craziness. The dead bear in the intersection, the newspapers in the newsstand proclaiming bear attacks on the rise, and the mauled security guard are all there to remind you that hell is on its way. On top of that, I am trying to create a situation where my characters, who I am hopefully getting you to eventually care about, are heading into about the dumbest situation they could put themselves in as it is all about to hit the fan.
So yes, the first act, the first issue, the set up, the world you character must leave to go on their journey… it’s hard. But do your best not to make it bland. Get your premise solid and exciting. Find a great title. You need those things to make the first act even worth the read. A lot of people think you just have to write a cool story. No, you have to let people know why it is cool. You need to give them a reason to read it. For me, I drew that banner on top of this website. This is my hook. This tells the reader what they came for and what I intend to deliver. It is many things, but I can say with confidence that it is not bland.
Good luck. If you can’t find an artist, figure out a way to tell the story. Don’t let anyone stop you.
I’ll also say to aspiring artists here on the site. Talk to Pat. You may want to draw comics but don’t know where to start. You may feel you need practice. This is the perfect opportunity.
But if your friend is constantly missing deadlines, I’d look elsewhere for an artist. You need someone who will get it done, and like I said, if you are willing to pay, you are already upping your chances of getting someone decent. It is really hard to make any money drawing comics.
And seriously. Read Save the Cat. The first and third volume will be priceless. It is about screenwriting, but it all applies to comics. Godpseed!!
Ethan
Being a good artist does not necessarily make one a good COMIC BOOK artist. If you look at the great ones (Kirby, Ditko, Romita, Byrne etc), you can blank out all the dialogue on the page and still be able to understand the story by looking at the pictures alone. Try it with Bearmageddon and you’ll see what I mean.
Thanks for pointing that out. I draw the comic out without thinking about specific dialog. I just sort of have the characters all mime out their parts and fill the final dialog in later. I have weak dialog in the script, but once I make the characters “act” on the page, the dialog seems to come much more naturally.
Good episode. Great blog post. I love Wednesdays.
What do you mean it doesn’t inspire commenting? I want to know what the hippie van logo stands for, and what the license plate means! 🙂
Wednesdays and Fridays are the best.
HW= Hippie-Wagen
Aww, I thought it was for HoaxWagen. :3
Well I for one do already care (especially for Joel and Goggles) so you must be doing something right. I’m also very much looking forward to the moment hound-from-hell gets mauled by a bear (or the other way around?), but that’s beside the point.
By the way, I realize this is definitely nitpicking, but – is that camper a Chinese ‘Holkswagen’ knockoff, or did something else happen to that VW sign…? 🙂
*whips out voice recorder* Dear Diane, a word of advice: if you ever read webcomics, you really should check out the alt-text before commenting *puts recorder away*
Yes, and this will be the FIRST time I have EVER overtly cared about jobless bums in a hippie wagon. Call me un-empathetic but there you go.
I get a strong sensation some death is right around the corner.
So how does one talk to Pat? Do I ask for his info in an email? Or is it public here and I’m just stupid? :F
Yeah um, I’ll ask him how he’d like that handled.
Hey this is Pat. So yeah, I would like to thank Ethan for answering my question I picked up some great tips from his response. I am going to try and sort things out with my artist. That doesn’t mean I’m not looking for artists though. I have other projects in mind and there’s no gauruntee that things will work out my current artist. If you want to contact me I’ll leave an email adress at the end of this. If you want to work for me send me an email with samples of your work as an attachment or a link to a REPUTABLE website. If the link looks iffy I won’t open it. Write about a paragraph about yourself as an artist, and make the subject line “Comic Book Artist.” I look forward to hearing from you.
oprproductions@gmail.com
I can’t wait to see some mutated bear munching down on some tripped out hippie action! Go Bears!
This is hands-down my favorite webcomic right now! Highlight of my Wednesdays and Fridays!
How much will we have to donate to get our alternate self eaten by a bear in the comic?
There are still hippies?! And is VW still making those vans? I thought the current ride of choice for grubby 20 somethings of the 2010s were those horrible square mini-van things like the KIA Soul, Nissan Cube, and their grandpappy, the PT Cruiser.
I just did a quick search and I stand corrected. VW makes new microbuses.
Bulli.
http://blogs.vw.com/conceptcars/2011/07/06/bulli-us-vw-bulli-named-2011-concept-truck-year/
Oh man… I love the coloring on this page, especially the windows on the HW.
Great job, Mr. Maas!
Hey, what else is ol’ Jhonen Vasquez doing anymore, anyway?
He just seems to mainly doing occasional prints and stuff these days. I’m not sure what else.
Huh. Is he making a living off of Invader Zim licensing or something? You tell him from ME to get back to work. (That should mean nothing to him). My wife and I love his stuff.
I doubt he’s making a living off of invader zim. If he was he probably wouldn’t hate that project as much. From what I can tell it makes
him sick to his stomach every time he sees someone in a G.I.R hat or shirt.
I look forward to new pages of Bearmageddon not only for the promise of the fantastic story you’re weaving, but for the inspiring and enlightening blog posts. You should have a stand-alone blog for Comics Q&A. I’d read it everyday.
Also, at your suggestion (and the glowing reviews) I’m totally picking up the Save the Cat! books. Thank you again for all you do for your fans.
Thanks! And good move on StC. It’s worth it if you are trying to write.
Just wanted to say, the header is definitely a hook. When I start to type “bear” into my brower location bar, my brain kicks in with “BEARMAGEDDON!!!!!!” in a WWF-announcer voice with full reverb. I don’t have a choice in the matter, it just happens. And it’s all because of the banner.
I hope the hippie wagon will be used to take out a bearilla.
Yikes, and it’s almost exactly the same color as my grandmother’s ex-camper van, too. She had the pumpkin-orange model with the stolen badge and rust detailing, the timebomb of a gas stove in back and the lingering, chemical odor of fuel and calor gas and rotten old upholstery. Didn’t help that she’d glued the windows shut, for some reason… That smell’s coming back to me as I type, and it’s making me want to declare war on my nose. I cannot remember travelling in anything that made me feel sicker than that old hippiemobile. Ah, memories.
The weird bit is that my grandmother is an upright Church of England minister who owned a succession of little yappy dogs with bangs and makes coffee walnut cakes. The only hippieish thing about her was the erstwhile ‘mobile, before she sold it, and the curious, yet unshakeable belief that it must be possible to apply the tenets of Zen Buddhism to mainstream Anglicanism.
hmm… I am intrigued by this “use Bearmegeddon to get artists to draw your stuff” concept. Maybe, just maybe…
Anyways, I love Wednesdays. I am stuck at a practicum and have to wait to get done in the late afternoon to read what has happened, but it is worth it. Your story telling is very enjoyable, because a person can only deal with mutated bears mauling people so long (granted, that may be a long time), and then they have to lean on a good story, and that is what you are making.
So, to further this interesting writer/artist thing, I would like to throw out an offer for me, an aspiring writer, to talk to an aspiring artist. You can email me at soularmor150@yahoo.com if you are interested.
Sorry to plug on your page, Ethan. I will so buy this book win it comes out to pay you back. Maybe even donate in the mean time…
It’s just astounding what great understanding you have of this stuff.
Oh man, the hippie van… I love how the further you go back in time with refrigerators and vans, the more they start looking like each other.
And, so ends act 1. This hippy van journey should be entertaining.
How about giving pre sale to donors? Probably will be a good motivator.
Since this comic seems to be drawing many parallels to Shaun of the Dead, I hope Mark and Joel reconcile somehow. Even if it’s only minutes before being eviscerated by a mutant bear.
I can’t wait for the armor plated version of the H-dub!
Suddenly, I had a few LOST flashbacks. I miss those =(.
I believe it will be most badass to see Joel’s father in action agains hordes of mutant killer bears. Must be the mustache.
on an almost entirly unrelated note, I was sorely tempted to buy a copy of Into The Wild from a second hand bookstall the other day, which is entirely down to Joel and his friends…
First off, I love Threadless. I think it’s FANTASTIC that you’re making a shirt for them and wish more comic artists could do the same. And as usual, fantastic comic. Can’t Wait to see what happens!